Items?

[la]

I have a few questions about two items: The World Map and The Gourd.

World Map
Rank: C
Type: Accessory / Self
Special: Allows the player to record unique locations, such as hidden villages, gates, special event areas, etc.
Description: Given the extreme topographical changes suffered by the world as a result of the Great War, things are no longer as they used to be. However, with the World Map equipped, the shinobi will never have to be worried about getting lost again!
Cost: 2,000 Ryo per Map

They it was was explained to me was that the map just allows you record locations, so essentially, it's just a blank topographical map. If that's the case, why can't characters simply make their own maps as they go along. If I'm in the Leaf village, why could I not just record my journey from there into another country and then once I find another hidden village, record that and travel between the two without getting lost? If the locations of the villages aren't on the map, I could still get lost looking for them and then consult my world map to find myself--which I could also do using a map I made if I backtracked properly.

I could see the map being more useful if non-shinobi villages and such are recorded, but wouldn't it be easier to simply ask for directions in one of these non-hidden villages when trying to find another country/village?

As for the second item


Gourd
Rank: C - A
Type: Accessory / Self
Special: Rank determines gourd strength and carrying capacity.
Description: Shaped and colored to the player's liking, these items usually hang at the shinobi's back, and provide ample storage room for certain elements advantageous to the user that are otherwise unavailable to the area. From sand and water to much, much more, this accessories provides a wide variety of uses.
Cost: 500 // 5,000 // 10,000

I'm curious as to the actual size restrictions and carrying capacities of the various sizes. I can understand that an A rank gourd carries enough water for an A rank technique, but is that it? What about techniques that would take different amounts of water? How many C rank techniques could be powered by an A rank gourd? Exactly how big can I have my gourd be..if I wanted something bigger would I need to submit a special item (ex. an 'S' rank gourd?).

[永遠に]

They it was was explained to me was that the map just allows you record locations, so essentially, it's just a blank topographical map. If that's the case, why can't characters simply make their own maps as they go along. If I'm in the Leaf village, why could I not just record my journey from there into another country and then once I find another hidden village, record that and travel between the two without getting lost?

World Maps are designed to show you how to get through the various shinobi countries. It does not show the locations of hidden villages and is designed so that you may record those locations on the map.


As for the gourd. The element your using is going to be used in case of emergency if there is none of that element around. When a technique is used from that gourd, no matter what rank amount, that element is not going to just disappear right after it's used. If it's deflected, the element will fall back to the ground and you'll still have that quantity to work with. If it hits, same thing.

[la]

Alright. So while making your own map is applicable, having the world map would help you get back on your way should you be unexpectedly moved off your current path. Also it may lead to short cuts/paths that aren't as well known other places. What's the penalty of traveling without a map though?


As for the Gourd, I can see what you're saying to an extent, but that still doesn't really answer my questions on size. Yes a C rank gourd should contain enough water/sand/etc for an A rank technique if the technique doesn't require as much water/sand/etc. I mean though, if I use a technique from the gourd and the water splashes on the ground, I can't just put that water back into the gourd unless I have some way to fully control the liquid, so I'd need to eventually re-fill the gourd. If I wanted a gourd that held 100 gallons, is that A rank? What if I wanted one that could fit a person inside it?

[DAVID BOWE]

Without the world map you couldn't travel back to the hidden villages. You'd get lost and lose your way.

An A ranked gourd is Gaara's gourd. So hopefully that answers your question. A C ranked gourd is simply like a drinking gourd that is carried along the waist. (meaning yes, and A ranked gourd would be around 100 gallons, along with the whole fitting a person inside.)

[la]

Thank you for answering the gourd question, but this brings up more questions about the map then. Why would you get lost without using the world map if you're making a map? Unless the villages were actually moving or major landmarks were changing (rendering any map useless) the only real benefit of using a premade map would be that it would have a much wider scope of the area. Is this benefit more of a fairness thing, where unless you own one you 'magically' (for lack of a better word) cannot ever track a location of a hidden village on a paper, or in a book, etc.

[永遠に]

Im not sure your grasping the concept though, La. You'd get lost because you have no intelligence on the size and locations of yourself according to the real map and its dimensions.... thats why map makers make maps.

You are talking about making an entire map yourself. That means, going through the measurements of each landform and jotting it down on paper and correcting the dimensions of each said landform. Do you realise that this would take you eons..?

Your making this harder for yourself trying to make a map all on your own. You'd waste more than 2000 in resources trying to accomplish what your describing. The world map is meant to depict the 5 great shinobi nations. Creating specific marks and trails is up to the user whenever he/she is travelling - such as the locations of villages - sub countries, etc.

[la]

May 2, 2011 5:59:36 GMT -8 永遠に said:

Im not sure your grasping the concept though, La. You'd get lost because you have no intelligence on the size and locations of yourself according to the real map and its dimensions.... thats why map makers make maps.

You are talking about making an entire map yourself. That means, going through the measurements of each landform and jotting it down on paper and correcting the dimensions of each said landform. Do you realise that this would take you eons..? [Yes I'd be making an entire map myself, but only an entire map of where I'm going/been to. I don't need exact scale of anything depending on how my map is created, because my directions would be made knowing full well that I will have limited to no knowledge of the entire area. It's like when you give directions to someone to a place you know. No my landmarks won't be so easily found most likely, but assuming my character knows about travel/hiking/living on the road, it would not be very difficult as long as care was taken. I would be willing to say that when getting to a place, of course someone with a World map would be first, but when returning they only advantage they would have would be that their path may end up being more efficient. We could both travel from mist to leaf, but they may end up there two days sooner because I took the long way around what I thought was a mountain because I had no idea there was a pass through it or some-such.]

Your making this harder for yourself trying to make a map all on your own. You'd waste more than 2000 in resources trying to accomplish what your describing. The world map is meant to depict the 5 great shinobi nations. Creating specific marks and trails is up to the user whenever he/she is travelling - such as the locations of villages - sub countries, etc. The amount I spent wouldn't be in supplies making the map, it would be measured in supplies gone through while finding my way which could be more or less (technically less since we don't actually bother with things like rations). All that would be needed to make a map is paper, a writing tool, and the ability to detect important signs. I can measure time and distance (to an extent) without using a map, especially if I know things like the speed I'm going (which I may or may not know). Obviously I would know how to orient myself in the proper directions, if I didn't I could hardly use a world map anyway. Even with scale markers on the world map, unless it has some sort of landmark for towns and such, you could only mark the approximate location of those as well unless you found the last topographically visible landmark and measured the distance properly. Which I could do with my own map as well.]

Essentially, me creating my own map would be like recording a journal of my travels. It doesn't take years (unless the journey itself took that much of course) and it doesn't fully require graphical representation (especially since this map is for me, not the world to try to follow). Taking the example above about the town. With a world map I could run to lets say a hill, check the scale, and with some distance measuring method figure out that it was two miles away to the southeast. The same could be done without the world map. Once I got to the hill, I would orient myself (just like I'd have to with the world map) and travel to the town, measuring paces, or more likely, time or some other landmarks on my way there. Both situations assume I happen to luckily wander into view of the town, since neither my map or the world map actually has it noted down before I myself mark it.

As it stands, the world map appears to be a simple mundane topographical map, and thus is of limited usefulness. If I gave you of my neighborhood, with every house on it, and told you to find my house after leaving you at the bottom of the street you wouldn't be at much more of an advantage than the person without a map of the neighborhood assuming both individuals KNOW my house is on this street. If I put you in the same situation with my house circled on your map, you could still be beaten by the other person if their self-made map said something to the effect of:

I climbed up to the top of the northward hill, it was surrounded by houses. 1 blue house to the east of me and 1 yellow one to the west.

I climbed the adjacent hill, heading north following the direction of the street until I reached my new house at the top of the second hill, directly across from a green wooden house.

In both situations both people could probably easily get to the house. The benefit the world map user would have is if they somehow got off the path, their map would show adjacent areas while my map would leave a lost person up the river with no paddle so to speak; they would need to try to return to their original spot or find the landmarks I identified.

I'm not trying to 'get over' really. There may be an actual bonus granted to people who have world maps that I don't know of, but I'm not aware of it. Even scrapping all my reasons for why making your own map would work (people do it all the time and the ones who asked can generally find their way if the directions are good), is there something special that must be done if you go to another country and want to go to the hidden village if you don't have a map. Even if you have a map, you need to make a travel thread, and from there you can post at the gates, correct? I mean, there aren't any sort of prerequisite 'lost' threads that must be posted in (since even with a world map you'd just know 'I am in fire country, because I'm sure this mountain is the one over there', not 'the village I'm looking for is here' until you actually visit). Going to towns to make confirm directions or resupply would be needed, and even those without a map could confirm much needed information there in the crafting of a map, such as roughly where they were in a country.

[永遠に]

I don't need exact scale of anything depending on how my map is created, because my directions would be made knowing full well that I will have limited to no knowledge of the entire area.

Well, then i'm sure your map would be based off your calculations alone then. I'm sure you could use this map in an thread within your own home region but I couldn't see it being used as a resort to travel. Only because..

Finding a village is much like traveling around different countries and through villages. It requires some practical work and basic logic. Aside from that, here are a few rules that should help would-be raiders do things the right way!


First things first - all shinobi of their home village automatically know their home location.

It takes a World Map iin order to record locations - without it, discovered areas won't be available for future visits unless further searching is provided with each new visit


With that said, all shinobi that go Missing forfeit knowledge of their home, unless they have a World Map.

Maybe you could make another type of world map and send it into customs...? Idk. That seems like the only solution to your problem.

[la]

Ah, so essentially a world map item allows you to head to a place without making an additional 'lost' thread. Alright then. I probably won't buy one just yet, since I could use the extra EXP, I'll be sure to make some references to my map not being an actual world map when going from region to region, that way no one thinks I'm cheating or anything. It kinda sucks, since it's hard for me to decide what items/possessions must be registered on the site and which ones I can be RP'd with no penalty (like clothing).

[☆ F ☆]

Anything else?

[la]

Not particularly, but unless you think I should repost the questions I PM'd you with earlier. They are technically related to items.

[☆ F ☆]

Did you do it on a different account...?

[la]

Nope, but I'll resend it to you if you like. You can reply in PM and lock down this thread if it's most convenient.

[addy-hime ♥]

It would probably be more convenient for us if you posted your questions here. That's what this area is for, so there's a higher chance we'll respond quickly to it. :3

[☆ F ☆]

Actually, I've answered her Q's over PM ^^