Miyako Outskirts - War never changes [WAR]
Aug 31, 2015 23:09:55 GMT -8
Post by earlyman on Aug 31, 2015 23:09:55 GMT -8
{ooc}It would have been perfectly fine had you not already taken action that relied on noise to alert you of what was going on in regards to the bank. You mentioned the guard and backdoor only after hearing the screams from inside the bank and you acted based on that noise. You cannot go back in time and say your eyes were on the door the whole time.
The thing is, I'm not going back in time. The timeline would have went, screams from genjutsu, you guys exit, bank blows up, you guys knock out guard, you guys exit. Then regardless if I mention the guard and door only after hearing the screams, that doesn't make them nonexistent until that point in time, then again this instance of time you are questioning happens before you guys exit. With the bank being to me and my clone's front and only 15m away, being on watch duty if someone opens that door to a bank, one's eyes would be drawn. You're basically saying, "you said you noticed the screams last time, so if someone opened that door did a back flip, pissed on the wall, and smoked a blunt you won't notice until something louder than the screams happen."
An alert clone on watch duty over the entire city is not enough, especially since you again did not mention the backdoor/guard until after being interrupted by the noise. Perhaps if you mentioned paying direct attention to the bank prior to the source of noise alerting you it would be fine, Again, since I'm not going back in time like you seem to think I did, there should be no issue. The bank is to my front and a small distance away and you guys open the door. The screams would have already happened since I assumed they would come from a Genjutsu, so I'm simply progressing the timeline.
but this is not the case. Because of your error, you're stuck on relying on a loud enough noise which would be the explosion. Why am I stuck listening out for a loud enough noise to alert me? This is why I say you're saying I can't react to you guys doing anything until after the bank blows. Anything you decided to do would have to be after the explosion occurs and not a second prior. You say your previous post is not voided which is true, that means you cannot go back in time and change things at your convenience. You're only taking part of my words or misunderstanding, I said not voided, but chopped. Meaning part was voided, thus the word chopped. I was denied the right to detect you guys via hearing screams, so that'd leave me on the roof doing nothing. You guys exiting the bank is like post interruption. When notable actions on the behalf of someone else make your choice of action no longer acceptable. Since I am on this roof in front of the bank's rear exit/entrance, seeing you guys leave the bank (it is noted to be "in sight" not focused on, but in sight") would interrupt my waiting and lead me to take action.
As far as manipulating the timeline, keep in mind Aneun and I mentioned stepping out of the bank prior to your arrival in the thread, Since I posted in t he round you two originally left and tried to blow up the bank, I had all the time you guys took in that round of posting. That means all that stuff with the manager, and the wife and hubby talk, the genjutsu fire, the ninjutsu fire, the handseal interruption on your behalf, all of that. Since I came into the topic during that round of posting, I have that time that you guys took to exist and be present, so that means while you guys were doing whatever inside the bank my character was outside on watch duty(just like in my actual post). That is why I heard the screams from the Genjutsu Fire, because I was present before you guys' escape from the bank(that's void now but yeah.) So this stuff u said here doesn't make sense.
and you are taking action on our exit a full round after arriving. No. You guys had your post interrupted by the presence of the bank guard. That is why another post with the bank being said to explode happened in you guys posting, because the original timeline was interrupted by not Baba, but the guard that was present. And since you guys were interrupted by the guard that was in my official entrance to the topic, I am not posting responding to something that happened a round ago. I am responding to your most recent post that consist of you closing the door and Anmida taking out the bank guard, that is very apparent and I'm not sure how you got that idea.
Our response after your arrival to the thread takes place after exiting the bank and begins with us taking off—your post should have been in response to that (after the explosion) and THEN you gone back and reacted differently (combat rewind). No, you guys post begins with you guys exiting the bank. This is a bit from Anmida's post.
That is Anmida busting the back door open in the post I responded to, meaning you guys did indeed exit the bank in the post I'm responding to.
Your post also has exiting the bank in it, so I do have you guys' exit from the bank to respond to. I responded to what happened in that round of posting and what I just quoted shows that you two did indeed exit the bank in your most recent round of posting.
How long until the bank guard was taken out was established in our post when I said it roughly when the explosion occurred and in Aneun's when he said the guard was distracted by the noise before getting hit. It wouldn't play a role here because you wouldn't be alerted to anything until after the explosion. False, as shown above you guys exit the bank in your rounds of post, so I have something to work with and that is you guys leaving the bank. In fact Anmida "bust" through the door and no how long until the bank guard was taken out was not established. There is no specification what so ever.You just said you're self "roughly" that is not specific, that's still vague in itself. Saying he was distracted by the noise then he got hit simply means, the explosion happened then he got hit. Does that mean immediately after? It's not established, it's loosely said.
Regarding Aneun needing a seal for the exploding tags, that could definitely be contested and subject to void (not 100% sure if it mattered since it is implied) if everyone had not already accepted the explosion as fact in the earlier rounds.
The amount of actions you take in six seconds is pretty questionable, especially since it takes place in the round that begins with us already out and running from the bank (because we exited it in the round before that), but it really doesn't matter because of the fact you cannot take any action until the explosion occurs. Since this is the third time you've manipulated the timeline in your favor I am going to be ignoring your actions as well and assuming they took place after we left. If you read what I said, you would have seen that I had spoken to Coma about that. To which he specified my actual arrival as in physical presence at the bank. That being because in my previous post my clone had moved to the bank's rear entrance, but Coma ruled my clone wouldn't be allowed to arrive at the bank until after the explosion. Not my arrival int eh topic, my clone's physical arrival at the bank. It's not saying I can't make any actions until the bank explodes. And you get your timeline manipulated because you're not specific, why am I getting the small stick due to your vagueness?
tldr: you did not mention looking at the security guard/backdoor until after hearing noises that drew your attention, thus you cannot act until the bank explosion which ruins your entire attempt + other issues. That has been addressed above, but I'll say it again. You're saying even though I'm looking in the direction of the bank which is 15m to my front, I am not allowed to react to someone bust through the back door with money bags in hand. That doesn't make any sense at all and sounds ridiculous.
This was because I wasn't permitted to hear the screams if there were any, so the only alert I would catch via sound was your explosion. I was not however. Since you exit before you blow up the bank, It should be perfectly acceptable to see you while being on watch. The ruling was not my arrival in the topic, but to the actual bank.
Five strong markers and still many more to go. So far he was doing good from memory alone and he'd continue to do well as his clone stayed alert atop the roof. However cries of pain and terror would interrupt such a thing. These cries came from the well guarded bank. Security had been tightened on the place with the declaration of war and regardless of the cries, Baba and his clone could see the single guard at the back entrance/exit didn't budge towards the door, instead they took more active looking stances.
The thing is, I'm not going back in time. The timeline would have went, screams from genjutsu, you guys exit, bank blows up, you guys knock out guard, you guys exit. Then regardless if I mention the guard and door only after hearing the screams, that doesn't make them nonexistent until that point in time, then again this instance of time you are questioning happens before you guys exit. With the bank being to me and my clone's front and only 15m away, being on watch duty if someone opens that door to a bank, one's eyes would be drawn. You're basically saying, "you said you noticed the screams last time, so if someone opened that door did a back flip, pissed on the wall, and smoked a blunt you won't notice until something louder than the screams happen."
An alert clone on watch duty over the entire city is not enough, especially since you again did not mention the backdoor/guard until after being interrupted by the noise. Perhaps if you mentioned paying direct attention to the bank prior to the source of noise alerting you it would be fine, Again, since I'm not going back in time like you seem to think I did, there should be no issue. The bank is to my front and a small distance away and you guys open the door. The screams would have already happened since I assumed they would come from a Genjutsu, so I'm simply progressing the timeline.
but this is not the case. Because of your error, you're stuck on relying on a loud enough noise which would be the explosion. Why am I stuck listening out for a loud enough noise to alert me? This is why I say you're saying I can't react to you guys doing anything until after the bank blows. Anything you decided to do would have to be after the explosion occurs and not a second prior. You say your previous post is not voided which is true, that means you cannot go back in time and change things at your convenience. You're only taking part of my words or misunderstanding, I said not voided, but chopped. Meaning part was voided, thus the word chopped. I was denied the right to detect you guys via hearing screams, so that'd leave me on the roof doing nothing. You guys exiting the bank is like post interruption. When notable actions on the behalf of someone else make your choice of action no longer acceptable. Since I am on this roof in front of the bank's rear exit/entrance, seeing you guys leave the bank (it is noted to be "in sight" not focused on, but in sight") would interrupt my waiting and lead me to take action.
As far as manipulating the timeline, keep in mind Aneun and I mentioned stepping out of the bank prior to your arrival in the thread, Since I posted in t he round you two originally left and tried to blow up the bank, I had all the time you guys took in that round of posting. That means all that stuff with the manager, and the wife and hubby talk, the genjutsu fire, the ninjutsu fire, the handseal interruption on your behalf, all of that. Since I came into the topic during that round of posting, I have that time that you guys took to exist and be present, so that means while you guys were doing whatever inside the bank my character was outside on watch duty(just like in my actual post). That is why I heard the screams from the Genjutsu Fire, because I was present before you guys' escape from the bank(that's void now but yeah.) So this stuff u said here doesn't make sense.
and you are taking action on our exit a full round after arriving. No. You guys had your post interrupted by the presence of the bank guard. That is why another post with the bank being said to explode happened in you guys posting, because the original timeline was interrupted by not Baba, but the guard that was present. And since you guys were interrupted by the guard that was in my official entrance to the topic, I am not posting responding to something that happened a round ago. I am responding to your most recent post that consist of you closing the door and Anmida taking out the bank guard, that is very apparent and I'm not sure how you got that idea.
Our response after your arrival to the thread takes place after exiting the bank and begins with us taking off—your post should have been in response to that (after the explosion) and THEN you gone back and reacted differently (combat rewind). No, you guys post begins with you guys exiting the bank. This is a bit from Anmida's post.
There being but an unaware guard watching the rear exit, escape from the bank would be far too easy for the duo. Not to mention only moments after they busted through the back door would the bank and church erupt; putting the guard off his guard and unable to defend himself.
Surprisingly enough, Aneun had nothing to say in response to Akuseru's behavior. Knowing they were running short on time, the Uchiha made a run for the exit with Akuseru quickly following. As the door shut behind with the sounds of multiple explosions following,
How long until the bank guard was taken out was established in our post when I said it roughly when the explosion occurred and in Aneun's when he said the guard was distracted by the noise before getting hit. It wouldn't play a role here because you wouldn't be alerted to anything until after the explosion. False, as shown above you guys exit the bank in your rounds of post, so I have something to work with and that is you guys leaving the bank. In fact Anmida "bust" through the door and no how long until the bank guard was taken out was not established. There is no specification what so ever.You just said you're self "roughly" that is not specific, that's still vague in itself. Saying he was distracted by the noise then he got hit simply means, the explosion happened then he got hit. Does that mean immediately after? It's not established, it's loosely said.
Regarding Aneun needing a seal for the exploding tags, that could definitely be contested and subject to void (not 100% sure if it mattered since it is implied) if everyone had not already accepted the explosion as fact in the earlier rounds.
The amount of actions you take in six seconds is pretty questionable, especially since it takes place in the round that begins with us already out and running from the bank (because we exited it in the round before that), but it really doesn't matter because of the fact you cannot take any action until the explosion occurs. Since this is the third time you've manipulated the timeline in your favor I am going to be ignoring your actions as well and assuming they took place after we left. If you read what I said, you would have seen that I had spoken to Coma about that. To which he specified my actual arrival as in physical presence at the bank. That being because in my previous post my clone had moved to the bank's rear entrance, but Coma ruled my clone wouldn't be allowed to arrive at the bank until after the explosion. Not my arrival int eh topic, my clone's physical arrival at the bank. It's not saying I can't make any actions until the bank explodes. And you get your timeline manipulated because you're not specific, why am I getting the small stick due to your vagueness?
tldr: you did not mention looking at the security guard/backdoor until after hearing noises that drew your attention, thus you cannot act until the bank explosion which ruins your entire attempt + other issues. That has been addressed above, but I'll say it again. You're saying even though I'm looking in the direction of the bank which is 15m to my front, I am not allowed to react to someone bust through the back door with money bags in hand. That doesn't make any sense at all and sounds ridiculous.